Episode 2: Letting it all burn with Krissy Coggins
In this episode, I talk to the magical and fierce Krissy Coggins (@krissyscouch, krissyscouch.com) about what becomes available when she stops following the rules and scripts of gentle/conscious parenting and starts following her intuition.
Kristen Coggins (she/her/they) is the creator of Krissy’s Couch, a place for parents to explore their healthiest version of being as a parent. After working for 11+ years as a Respiratory Therapist, who did parent education on the side, she decided to take on working with parents as a full-time career. It was in this full-time roll that Kristen discovered that she enjoyed helping parents take the journey from “New to this to True to this.” Through education, encouragement and values identification, Kristen helps parents step into the fullness of their role with confidence and agency.
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[0:05] Welcome to the existing together podcast, I'm your host Sarah Fontaine and I'm a writer astrologer and facilitator. This podcast exists to build a culture of belonging to help us feel less isolated while living on planet Earth we're asking questions together about the complexities and confusions of being a person. We cover spirituality politics parenting astrology whiteness and especially the spaces where these overlap.
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[0:43] Hi hi welcome thank you so much for talking to me. As you know as I wrote to you and told you I'm doing this podcast, and this season I'm asking the question “what is intuition and what gets in the way of it?”
and so I'm talking to different people who work and exist in different disciplines and worlds about it. I've been really inspired by your work around parenting and re parenting. I really appreciate you coming and I'm wondering if you would be willing to just share what you see as your work and what you do in public or with with people.
Krissy: Yeah this is such perfect timing because my work is crossing a bridge I feel like right now.
What was my work was helping parents to find solutions for challenging moments with their children and also trying to help parents remember to take care of themselves and I'm still doing that but I'm doing it like differently now. it's more like helping parents find themselves, find their voice, find their intuition, be confident in standing it. Strengthen it and use that inner power to guide them their self and their family.
[2:06] Sarah: That's so beautiful thank you for sharing that. I was also just thinking I'm just getting to know you recently and I'm wondering if you would share anything about how you got here which I'm sure is an endless
answer, but yeah if there's any pieces that feel important about how did you even get into this work in the first place? And then how did it evolve into this new thing.
Krisssy: Yeah so the first place is—I recently learned that my values are justice and joy right—
Sarah: so beautiful—
Krissy: Thank you, I've always had a super strong sense of justice like I was the rule-following kid and when I told on other kids when I was younger it wasn't because I wanted them to get in trouble. In my mind I was helping them follow the rules like, this is how it's supposed to happen and you need some help and I'm going to go tell an adult. I really thought I was helping, so yeah I've always had a strong sense of justice, but it wasn't just “these are the rules,” it was as like, as I grew it was more—do these rules make sense? Is it fair? Because that's what Justice is, and when I say fair I don't mean everybody gets the same thing. When I say fair I mean everybody getting what they need. Is it appropriate, and is there a way to accommodate the best interests of each person. Yeah so yes I always had that that strong sense. Being a child and growing up and seeing the way that children interact with adults, and being able to see a certain hurt in someone’s eyes you know. To see another child's eyes and seeing the adult fussing at them for something that they knew they weren't supposed to do, it was like something is something's not right. Yes you're saying that this is the rule, but I could also feel something from the child in front of you, that there's something that is missing, there's a need is not being met.
[4:09] So you have that, you're talking about feeling that as a child, like seeing other children, oh yes. I remember I went to this wild little private school they shouldn't have—okay, I don't know if they're going to listen. This shouldn't happen—one day they decided to show us one of those shows where they would bring these quote unquote bad kids on stage. They're like, I steal money from my mom. Have you ever seen those? And then they have a corrections officer come on, getting the kids faces and stuff. And they had us watch that at school. Weird yeah weird highly inappropriate and I was supposed to write a journal reflection and my general reflection was about how the corrections officers are wrong and if they wanted to teach the children respect, they need to be respectful to them. I was in eighth grade.
Sarah: Wow. Okay so I mean this is so amazing to me because I feel like in my memory there’s also this sort of awareness and also that other kids had it too but then it feels like a lot of kids like forgot about it when they became adults or something or like make it doesn't translate to how we think about relating to children now so I'm curious about. How you feel like you carried that…
[5:27] Krissy: Yeah I think honestly it's the weight of the world is what I think. I think we get into adulthood and we don't really know how we got here and then we're just trying to survive. And all the frustrations and all of our own past hurt and stories that we carry and things. But it's easier to believe what you've always seen and heard than it is to continue to interrogate that feeling that you felt, and what you inherently knew, what children, what all humans deserve.
Sarah: Yeah yeah okay I wanted to just give a little bit more space for if you felt like—you’re this child that has this sense of justice and then like maybe just a little bit about getting into helping parents, supporting parents. which seems very natural from that point but there's of course so much from there I'm just curious.
Krissy: Absolutely. So I was pregnant with my daughter and gosh this is like 2012 or 13 and BabyCenter was my form of social media. Yeah and I remember she was around 6 months old, and I got on there and I was looking for parenting information because I knew I didn't want to spank my children, but people kept saying how I was going to fail and so I got in there. I was looking for information and lo and behold Janet Lansbury's book was in BabyCenter I want to say it was No Bad Kids and I got the book and it was like, yes yes yes I knew it I knew it I knew it. That kind of open up my world and then there is another
businesswoman who's on social media and I really looked up to her work and she was getting ready to have a child and I was like this is my moment to get on her radar. I went and got a certification shortly after her child was born and I was like okay, right around, he's three, I've got like three years to build up a brand and she follows me today and we've had a few conversations, yes that's possible.
And then so where I got today. The pandemic yeah my children being home so, in my mind if things work well, they can work really well under pressure like, I should be able to try this by fire and it should still work well and when it came to pandemic parenting and trying to do it in a gentle conscious way. Like, can I test this and have it be okay? Hell no, it did not work, yeah it was it quote-unquote working and the irony for me is like: you're a whole ass parent coach on Instagram and on the struggle bus that you are riding, right? It was just the stress, it was being in the house, or not being able to be out with other people and then, me and the father of my oldest two children were very, we don't do germs, and so we made the decision to continue to keep them out of school. And right now it's March 2022. There's still a school we wanted to wait for their vaccinations, which they got, and which I'd be fine with them going back right now but their dad’s like let's just give it till the fall you know he's even more strict about it. Yeah so we are still like it's a full-on pandemic. but you know it's intense its intense of the kids being home all day everyday.
So to get back to the point, I have them home all the time, I'm feeling stressed, I'm feeling overwhelmed, I'm a single parent. I'm dealing with the grief of having had a stillborn daughter, I am dealing with the grief of ending a marriage, and all of this is at the same time and I am noticing I'm starting to yell again.
[9:38] Hmm like I hadn't yelled and a long time like I got so comfortable into my practices and routines with them it was kind of like it we had our flow. Until we got lost that and I was thinking to myself you know if I had a necessary support system and there were things in place, a lot of this these things I'm trying to do with my children I wouldn't even have to do because I would be so supported mentally physically emotionally, that these stressors that I'm trying to work out through parenting wouldn't even be here. It really kind of pushed me to the edge and what I say now is the edge of possibility.
Sarah: mmm beautiful.
Krissy: While that’s true, that's true that those stressors wouldn't be there, what I found is also true is—me trying to conscious parent from moment to moment so like, ay my child does this thing that frustrates me and I'm sitting with myself, I'm understanding my feelings, I am unpacking it, and you know I'm doing all this—I've got three kids doing that and they all have different things going on, right?
Sarah: That's next level.
Krissy: I'm like yeah, this doesn't feel right anymore, we have to have something new. And I kind of just tore it all down. I tore it all down. I said, the only things that I will be doing is I'm making sure I'm not going to hit them. I won't be emotionally abusive, I won't be verbally abusive. No type of abuse is kind of where I was, I wouldn't accept any kind of abuse from myself as part of the process.
Sarah: I was just reading that in your latest blog post, which I love so much. It was this idea of embodying, or really making it your own. We outsource our expertise, you know, because we feel desperate, we're trying to find the new thing, that's going to help us because we're so reactive, understandably from our own childhoods and stuff. But then, so I just really appreciate your emphasis on that, and I love what you're describing about your work in terms of that shift. Because the expertise doesn't allow, you know if we're relying on someone else's expertise, then we're not able to respond in the moment when it doesn’t go the way we thought. I feel like this is a constant thing for me. I appreciate and have been helped by many of those scripts, but then I'm also like, wait this doesn't work anymore. So then it really asked me to come back to myself over and over. Which brings me to the first question. I just wanted to see if you would try to define intuition for yourself. I find it just sort of an impossible question honestly, but whatever comes to mind in this moment maybe.
Krissy: Yeah no I think intuition for me is learning to slow down and allow myself to come forward and to trust myself. it's not about becoming somebody else, it's about recognizing and witnessing the person that is
actually there, not the person wearing all of the stories and trauma, and you know this is how I was raised type of thing. Learning to trust myself and being enough, like that was another thing I learned is that you can often feel unworthy on this parenting journey, trying your hardest you can feel like, I am not getting this right. Being okay getting it wrong - and I thought I was okay before, but I understand it completely different now.
We, me and my children, have had some moments lately that I wouldn't have allowed before from myself. We've had some real, raw moments, and they involve a lot of conversation afterwards, but it's like, I am finally hearing more of myself.
Sarah: Wow.
Krissy: And I don't know how to describe that, like yeah I'm hearing my own hurt and pain more, I'm hearing my frustration more, I didn't realize how much of me trying to consciously parent was me trying to hold back.
Sarah: Yeah wow.
Krissy: And of course we don't want to do harm, but what is that saying—what you resist persists. Me trying to stop the flow of that energy was actually perpetuating more of that situation, because I couldn't fully see it or fully experience my feelings in the moment.
[14:41] Sarah: That's so beautiful. It makes me think about kind of moving from this idea of a category of parent and child, to the actual relationship between two people.
Krissy: Yes.
Sarah: That you that you get to be fully present as a person, a full person in the situation which I find also hard to kind of like bring my full self, because it's a little bit confusing with your role, what is it. But I just I just feel so… It just sounds like you get to be present, you need to be a full person in the relationship, so it makes it more authentic, even if there's more conflict or it's more challenging or something.
Krissy: Yes and I think we lose the importance of authenticity when we're trying so hard to be the perfect
parent. How can you get a real relationship with your child, and guess what, a lot of us are the first generation to do this kind of work ,we are going to fuck it up badly okay, and hopefully our children will take the experiences that they have drawn from their relationship with us, and they'll do even better than we did, but we're not going to get there by having inauthentic interactions, there’s a deep disconnection in that, no matter how much you feel like you're building connection.
Sarah: Can I just say something about your astrological chart?
Krissys: Yes yes
Sarah: I just think what you're describing is a beautiful example, and that's another thing that I want to bring into this show, is just a little bit of talking about people's charts. So Krissy has a lot of Fire and Earth in your chart and to me this idea of bringing your full self, is the best expression of Fire. Having this identity and bringing the confidence, like I just get to be myself. And I think that the Earth part is really pragmatic and yet down to earth, and wants to kind of follow the rules, wants to do things like, the way you're supposed to and that is really helpful, but it's like, the interplay of those things is so much of what I see as you're talking through your process.
Krissy: I love seeing that and can I say you had given me the best—I've had other chart readings you've given me the best reading—ever. I think about our reading and I don't know if you know this, but I think in some parts of our reading, you were channeling, because you were saying things to me that I say to myself, and you were calling it out, and saying yeah I feel like you kind of feel like this like, but verbatim.
Sarah: Wow.
Krissy: I just wanted to tell you that.
[17:07] Sarah: Thanks. Okay so you've already been talking about this, but my next question along the lines of intuition is, how do you see your intuition showing up in your parenting? And what interferes with that? It sounds like some of what you've already discussed, but maybe if there's anything to add?
Krissy: Yeah there's definitely more to add. I was out to lunch with a friend last week, and she said to me something so profound. She said, your trauma will interfere or block your intuition, and it's so simple but it's the realest thing ever. It's so true because with that trauma you do so much second-guessing yourself, there's so much uncertainty, there's so much separation from yourself as a protective mechanism. And yeah I realized the choices that I made especially after my daughter passed away I would have never made some of those choices prior to that happening, but my intuition—I could not hear it, could not feel it, or see it, I was trying to survive. And I think you kno,w even if you have smaller Little T trauma, what I've learned is that it still has the same impact on your brain over time if you are not dealing with it. If you are not finding ways to heal or work through your trauma, it's going to be that much harder to get to your intuition, and hear your voice cause you're gonna be hearing a whole lot of other things.
Sarah: Yeah and that's what that brings me to my next question which is what supports you in that process, what tools, or support, or things that you do, or perspectives you take, helps you continue that, or keep that?
Krissy: It’s ongoing for me right now, going back to what we said earlier allowing my feelings to come up, that's part of I think the energetic flow. If you're going to heal something you have to move it, like you have to move it or else it's going to get blocked, so you can't sense your intuition if it's blocked. It is going to stay blocked if it doesn't have anywhere to go. Allowing my feelings to come up. Meditation is a game changer for my nervous system, CBD oil love it.
Sarah: I feel like you're so—I love your descriptions of tea.
Krissy: That is a resource ,yes absolutely, because parenting isn't just what you do, it's what you put in your body, and how you treat yourself. That's the other big thing I've had to realize. I'm making sure that I get rest as much as I can that I am doing things that are nourishing to my body, because you know if I'm not eating drinking and doing things that help my body, I'm going to have an even harder time parenting. So a lot of it is front-loading yeah.
Sarah: So I want to just take a little bit of a different direction for a moment and ask about because it feels so related and so beautifully in this conversation—just your work with people doing Tarot readings if that feels good—how does your intuition come into that, and maybe describing a little bit about that work specifically if you want to.
Krissy: Yes absolutely. So how does my intuition come into it, that's a good question. For me doing the readings has really allowed me to trust myself, it's kind of been an accelerator in my intuition, because it's kind of like I don't have to be right or wrong, like I'm just the messenger and that's something that you and I talked about. Yeah so allowing the messages that to just come through and I don't have to question, is this my fear, is this something else going on with me I can just say the messages that comes up. And the other person affirms that this is what they are working through, and it's kind of like, what I can trust that you know and just it allows that flow open wide.
Sarah: Yeah my intuition definitely has grown from doing the readings that's such a beautiful part of healing work. It cultivates the things that are supportive to us, maybe, ideally, it cultivates the the things that we're trying to support in ourselves, by offering and supporting those with other people.
Krissy: Yes you'd be surprised a number of parents that I have done readings for who are on the verge of divorce, going through divorce, contemplating divorce, because I'm going through a divorce, all the parents who are going through a divorce, or about to go through divorce appear.
Sarah: A hundred percent. I mean I think that I feel those patterns so much for myself and my work—I just see people that are at whatever the thing is that I—it's like oh yeah, this is very similar to whatever my thing is right now.
Krissy: Yes it's wild.
Sarah: Okay so another thing that I'm excited to do in this podcast is I want to talk about whiteness, the delusion of whiteness, the invention of whiteness, and how obviously it feels so pervasive just in our thinking and our lives of course in all sorts of ways, but I feel like it's something that gets talked about in like very specific spaces, and not kind of woven into all conversation because it's like this thing that permeates I mean probably everywhere but in the U.S. just so hugely. I'm especially interested in how you see whiteness, the ways that it shows up on all levels interfering with intuition, with your clients, in your own life. It's probably like an endless answer, right, but what comes to mind with that.
Krissy: So this is one of the questions that got me really excited because it's something I've been taking about a lot lately especially when preparing content for intuition. So, whiteness is a lot of right or wrong this or that. Do it right and do it now. Feeling urgency show up. I don't want to, I don't know if pushy is the right word but urgency. Yeah a sense of urgency, because there is, with whiteness there's this huge push to assimilate. When it comes to parenting, it's like there's this one way that we're going to do it, which leads to scripts. I've been having my deep feeling about scripts lately and this is—no shade to any parenting person that provides scripts—I get it, because parents are asking for a script so you what do you do, you give your audience what they want.
Sarah: And I think it's some stages right like it can be helpful to have that at some like a very early stage of a certain process right because it's like the overwhelm is big, sorry I interuupted—
Krissy: You know I think the even there that they're…that if I am in the beginning what got us here was our intuition that this wasn't right in the first place. So if I am being invited to, let's sit with what you can hear, let’s sit with what you know, and I want you to just write down, what are your fears about all of this, and how would you like for this to happen, and what else you know, anything that's coming up for you, and it kind of it invites you back to yourself. Even from the beginning of building like that confident strong center of, I can do this,
I've got this. It's okay to not have the answer because I think that's the other part is we want scripts cuz we think we have to have the answer. And we don't. You can just be like, I don't know I know, I'm not going to hit you, or hurt you, I don't know what to do about it and right now, that's got to be okay for both of us.
Sarah: it gives me chills because that feels to me like the opposite of whiteness, or you need to be certain. You need to—and it's also such important modeling. Not that we do it for that, but like just, what it feels like to be a person. The delusion that we've all been fed around what an adult is, and that you get certain when you become an adult or something, and then you just know, and then the disillusionment that we have when we discover it's not like that. For our kids to get to be with that earlier. You're still in a space of not knowing, that's that's part of life, building resilience around that is such an important part of being able to be a sane person.
Krissy: Yes yes and I want to go to back to, just in case people don't know and we're talking about whiteness we're talking about the culture of the temple of society if you will. How things are going in society, We're talking about urgent sense of urgency and we're talking about whiteness it's like… Mmm I'm trying to find a good way to help people understand. Okay so if you think about assimilation, right, you know, let's take immigrants for example, they are expected to get here and know how to speak English perfectly. That's absolutely ridiculous. Then people automatically have this this negative opinion about them, who they are, how smart they are, and what they're worth, based on their ability to speak a second language with fluency which is wild. That's a sense of urgency and it's a ridiculous expectation, and you can see it in many different examples throughout society that's just one of them. Not whiteness if you will, says no your enough just as you are you, can slow down, in fact I appreciate where you are right now, and it's so beautiful, the sound of
this language coming through your accent, you know like wow. It's taken in and it's appreciating and it's being enough and, yeah that's the difference yeah I think.
Sarah: I know, I've been thinking about when I use that term “whiteness,” it's sort of shorthand for so many things, like a metonym for so many things. I say the invention as in like the way that race was created to enslave and disempower black people and how it overlaps with class or created class or intertwines with class. It feels hard to describe but that's the word that makes sense to use, so that's what I use to name it, to not avoid it, but also like it's so big.
Krissy: No no I get exactly what you mean I know what whiteness is yeah.
Sarah: I know you do I was just trying to kind of elaborate on.
Krissy: Yeah I didn't think you were trying to explain it to me, I'm saying, in case others didn't know, like I kind of wanted to expand you know what we're talking about.
Sarah: Yes thank you for that. I guess then, and maybe this is sort of related to what I was asking before, what helps you through that? How do you support people through that? How do you think through that or see through that? It obviously sounds like some of the things you're talking about in terms of just pausing on the urgency that feels like a big piece, but I'm sure there's more, and I wonder what else you have to say about that.
[28:56] Krissy: Pausing on the urgency, challenging everything. I think that's at the point where I am right now. Like I said I tore it all down. Kids don't do chores anymore, Sarah, that's massive. Tearing it all down, lately we've been having nights on the couch where we watch Grey's Anatomy reruns and so we all fall asleep because that's my thing yeah, and then like around 1:00 in the morning I wake them up and I carry the baby up to bed and we go to sleep.
Sarah: Amazing.
Krissy: That is not Krissy last year! It was: we got dinner, we got books, we got baths, we got bed times, and I do miss some of that sometimes. But making room for the space that we are in. There's been a lot of stress and so the kids want to watch TV and lay on the couch. Why am I fighting that that's what I want to do too?
Sarah: It just sounds like bringing more of yourself into the situation and the phases of your life, and that they're changing all the time too.
Krissy: Right and that's where we are right now, and I do see us maybe at some time going back to not laying on the couch and fall asleep watching TV stage. But right now it can be okay that we are where we are. There's no right or wrong right now it's valuing it's living in our values, joy.
Sarah: Yeah that one is so good hearing you talk about that at different points has just made me, it's just felt so good to remember that because I feel like I lean towards, I tend to be serious in the sense of like I want to do it do it right. Or all those things, and and so the the joy piece is so helpful! That word even is just like such a good reminder.
Krissy: Yeah for sure, you do want to do it right, but you know what I found from doing my values is, once I had figured out what my values are, I have far less of a desire to get it right.
Sarah: it's so good.
Krissy: It's magic, because I think with your values, they already are driving you, they are already the thing that feels good to you ,the thing that you are familiar with, so if I can say, we're not going to do our bedtime routine tonight because we're valuing and living into Joy, I am not worried about whatever fear of them not having a routine right now that might come up because: Joy, hello!
Sarah: Yeah. It was making me think about this exercise with this other event that I did last year and it was about food and I was thinking about comfort food of my childhood which is mac and cheese Kraft from the box. Through writing that, I realized that it was not, I mean the food, sure, but it was my mom being off, taking a break in her mind. That night where she did the Kraft mac and cheese was like her just being like I get to chill. And I felt that, and it felt so relaxing and fun to me. That felt so powerful to register that and thinking about that in my own parenting like, where can I be in that space more? Because yeah he is going to feel that.
Krissy S:ay it again say it again! I'm like seriously.
Sarah: Just like how do I connect to the feeling that I carried with that food tradition that was so much more than the food. She felt like she got to be off, and so we got to chill, which is what I want our space, our life to feel more like. Not like I'm doing the routine right, but it feels like we're free, we just got to eat this thing and that feels so good, I want him to have more of that.
Krissy: And that's so much more valuable than that I say X Y & Z right, you know your mom giving you guys mac and cheese, and going to mind her business and live her life. That's so much more valuable than her coming to you and saying, now would you like the red shoes today or would you like the blue shoes? You know what I mean?
Sarah: One more piece of that is that I just read about the study that my friend Virgie Tovar wrote about which was saying that it's been proven that we actually absorb more nutrients from food that we love and enjoy.
So it's like even on that level right, even on the body level, everybody has permission to just love this right now because everybody's just chilling. So that versus the food that you're “supposed” to eat, you're eating it but everybody kind of hates and is really stressed and bummed. Anyway yeah it’s so profound.
Krissy: Yeah that's perfect I love anatomy and physiology is my thing so when you say that I'm thinking,
yeah, because when you're eating foods that you enjoy, your body relaxes more and your body can absorb more because it's not so tight. Yeah that makes so much sense that's beautiful I love that this I'm gonna go eat some chocolate cake only because I need the nutrients
Sarah: Yeah yeah exactly well I mean there's so much probably more, but I wonder if there's anything you'd like to just say to parents in this in the space, in this moment, just an opportunity to say what feels most helpful to you, or something that you would want to hear?
Krissy: I would say that you belong in your parenting relationship with your child more than any parenting advice that you can find anywhere. You are the thing that is most important there and the work that you do with your child in these very precious expansive moments needs to come to the surface more than getting it right, and worrying about getting it wrong. You're enough, you're the whole package even. We get to do this on purpose you know
Sarah: hmm that's so beautiful it makes me think about just Tarot and Astrology and how they invite that sense of awareness, of a bigger picture, what you're describing just the relationship—our children choose us or however you want to think about it, like we choose each other. That feels so relevant in that context, it so much more mysterious than we can know yeah kind of the ways that we are for our children or something.
Krissy: And that's the trust part, if everything's become even more authentic with my children, I see them more because whatever I am giving them with my authenticity it's being returned. So maybe they're feeling more of me and even sometimes it's more of my intensity but they are feeling more and they’re returning more of their own and it's like we're having these very alive moments yeah I feel it sounds so deep it sounds so like it's another layer of safety yes it's like a deeper layer of safety where it's like when you get to give permission for yourself to be there fully than they get to have another layer of permission.
Yeah less fear and less you know having to be a certain way well I say our things have become more intense there's more affection in there is more like
togetherness and more cuddles and more you know what I mean yeah that's so good and again never
I'm not ever being abusive towards them I want to get very clear that I'm not advocating for parents to fly off the handle yeah yeah yeah that feels very clear but what I am saying is
stop trying to say and do the right thing allow yourself to just be
detox even mmm I was saying that to myself yesterday is like take some time to step away from parenting advice and social media yeah.
[36:43] You know not because it's not valuable right.
Because you need to learn what your own voice sounds like and you need to figure out what work you and your child are actually doing here because the work that you're doing is not helping them learn to do chores it's not mmm
getting them to tie up their shoes or whatever yeah case maybe that's not the work that's just you know as day-to-day living with another human right
is not the work you guys came to do with each other and you can get distracted with try this try that
do this do that are you having a hard time getting your child to do this why don't you do it this way right you know that is not the work you guys came here to do and so you have to figure out you know what is it that we actually came to do
and how can we move in that direction Mmm Yeah
I wonder if you could just share where people can find you where people want you want people to find you on the internet in your work and
yeah and Instagram I am at Chrissy's couch
couch I love that by the way because it's like it feels so good to be like yeah I want to go sit on somebody's couch like the idea of that space being a place that people can come and sit is so.
[37:54] Brilliant thank you yeah yeah yeah that was my thought is like seeing people sitting around chatting with each other on the couch you know sitting crisscross applesauce you know just chillin chillin with your friend yeah
and Chris couch.com can I talk about an event I have yes please do
yes I'm doing any event on Trauma from the Mind Body and Soul perspective I'm very excited the person who's talking about the mind she's talking about early childhood development and epigenetics and how that.
Who you are the person who is talking about the body is.
Actually I get mine a body confused but she's a neuroscientist and she's going to be talking about Little T trauma Big T trauma and how they can
impact you and what you can do to help your neurons and meditation
today's meditation and then the person who's talking about Soul she's talking about how trauma can Brock block your intuition wow and
doing the work to show up intuitively as a parent she's a Powerhouse by the way she gave me she was dropping gems like back to back to back in this conversation we were having and I was like oh my God
oh my God oh my God so it's really you don't really don't want to miss this conversation they're going to be in a panel together it's going to be amazing
that sounds so good thank you so much for talking to me I'm really excited for people to hear this and I just.
[39:21] Until next time whatever it is you to thank you thank you for having me I really enjoyed the talk take care of Chrissy.
[39:30] Yeah.
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